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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only TRUE competition lowers prices, provided the playing field is level.

Local Loop Unbundling at fair prices is essential to bring about true competition. 

More competition on submarine cables is also required - moving from monopoly to duopoly to an oligopoly or cartel only creates the perception of competition. The answers lie in what has been done overseas - adopting the good and the learning from the bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only TRUE competition lowers prices, provided the playing field is level.</p>
<p>Local Loop Unbundling at fair prices is essential to bring about true competition. </p>
<p>More competition on submarine cables is also required &#8211; moving from monopoly to duopoly to an oligopoly or cartel only creates the perception of competition. The answers lie in what has been done overseas &#8211; adopting the good and the learning from the bad.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Follow the money&quot;

With hindsight, the disastrous privatisation of Telkom, the recent reports in the media of hints of skullduggery involving mobile interconnect rates, the probable future boom-bust nature of building bandwidth, I&#039;d be very scared to invest money in SA telecoms in the medium or long term. (Unless I know who the controlling players are, from the politicians to the corporate financial brokers) However, corruption at this level is not confined to Africa, it happens in the most advanced economies, just it&#039;s very sophisticated.

So how does one build a cheaper network? Perhaps I&#039;m missing the point here but in an enterprise-class or Telecom-level network It&#039;s not as simplistic as just the cheap deployment of fiber. There&#039;s much, much more complexity involved, to make it reliable and functional. This any telco engineer or executive will tell you.To initiate it is not quite as cheap as you&#039;d think. That&#039;s not to say it can&#039;t be cheaper it can , just to be realistic about the costs and investment required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Follow the money&#8221;</p>
<p>With hindsight, the disastrous privatisation of Telkom, the recent reports in the media of hints of skullduggery involving mobile interconnect rates, the probable future boom-bust nature of building bandwidth, I&#8217;d be very scared to invest money in SA telecoms in the medium or long term. (Unless I know who the controlling players are, from the politicians to the corporate financial brokers) However, corruption at this level is not confined to Africa, it happens in the most advanced economies, just it&#8217;s very sophisticated.</p>
<p>So how does one build a cheaper network? Perhaps I&#8217;m missing the point here but in an enterprise-class or Telecom-level network It&#8217;s not as simplistic as just the cheap deployment of fiber. There&#8217;s much, much more complexity involved, to make it reliable and functional. This any telco engineer or executive will tell you.To initiate it is not quite as cheap as you&#8217;d think. That&#8217;s not to say it can&#8217;t be cheaper it can , just to be realistic about the costs and investment required.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Jeoffreys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis Jeoffreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Knuckles give a well reasoned history lesson, it is beside the point. What we need is a well reasoned business plan that will deliver the cheaper bandwidth in a much more accelerated manner than simply waiting for organic growth. Education, Healthcare, Economic development all demand this. Without an infrastructure to support the improvement in efficiency demanded in the world today we will remain a third or maybe fourth rate country going backwards with respect to the major economies. What happened to the cheap deployment of fiber, using the sewers instead of trenching in urban areas, the running of fiber on the high tension power lines for long haul etc.  There are too many empires being built and not enough thought is being put into the development of the country as a whole. Throwing money at the problem is not the answer alone, proper planning and a drive to improve the lives of all our citizens is what is needed. National pride is only possible   when all our people can achieve self pride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Knuckles give a well reasoned history lesson, it is beside the point. What we need is a well reasoned business plan that will deliver the cheaper bandwidth in a much more accelerated manner than simply waiting for organic growth. Education, Healthcare, Economic development all demand this. Without an infrastructure to support the improvement in efficiency demanded in the world today we will remain a third or maybe fourth rate country going backwards with respect to the major economies. What happened to the cheap deployment of fiber, using the sewers instead of trenching in urban areas, the running of fiber on the high tension power lines for long haul etc.  There are too many empires being built and not enough thought is being put into the development of the country as a whole. Throwing money at the problem is not the answer alone, proper planning and a drive to improve the lives of all our citizens is what is needed. National pride is only possible   when all our people can achieve self pride.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewbuckland.com &#187; Oh Peter! You&#8217;re just being sentimental</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewbuckland.com &#187; Oh Peter! You&#8217;re just being sentimental</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcentral site there have been two articles that caught my attention &#8212; the first being a fiery piece by former Vodacom CEO Allan Knott-Craig, and now an interview with respected local newspaper [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Techcentral site there have been two articles that caught my attention &#8212; the first being a fiery piece by former Vodacom CEO Allan Knott-Craig, and now an interview with respected local newspaper [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van Dijk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van Dijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical corporate schizophrenia: I was paid a handsome salary and I did it for the shareholders - does that excuse such behaviour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical corporate schizophrenia: I was paid a handsome salary and I did it for the shareholders &#8211; does that excuse such behaviour?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy October (WirelessMonkey)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy October (WirelessMonkey)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Alan - my hat off to you for what you have achieved. I&#039;ve always said that we need to give you credit for the work done. However, times are changing and people are hungry for connectivity, but sadly your Vodacom, along with the rest, fails to hear them. The passion that once drove you to achieve the progress you made has died. There simply is no passion driving us any longer. The fight to connect Africa has become a figures game that serves only to conceal the hidden costs to the consumer. Honesty is what&#039;s asked for and is what&#039;s not forthcoming. We need to remember the passion that once drove us, because the problem that existed then and crippled Africa, still exists today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Alan &#8211; my hat off to you for what you have achieved. I&#8217;ve always said that we need to give you credit for the work done. However, times are changing and people are hungry for connectivity, but sadly your Vodacom, along with the rest, fails to hear them. The passion that once drove you to achieve the progress you made has died. There simply is no passion driving us any longer. The fight to connect Africa has become a figures game that serves only to conceal the hidden costs to the consumer. Honesty is what&#8217;s asked for and is what&#8217;s not forthcoming. We need to remember the passion that once drove us, because the problem that existed then and crippled Africa, still exists today.</p>
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		<title>By: Flavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you have a modem, you will pay as much as a phone, the problem is in other countries Internet is unlimited but here they give you data bundle like food, the more you eat the more it going down per month, that rubbish. So even when you are talking 5c/MB or 50c/MB the problem is your data bundle still 500MB or 1GB or whatever and you are going to spend it until you got 0MB. The better we pay for Internet witch we will use as we like the better more people will be able to have Internet connection in their home. For the record, just to load this page it cost me 2.1MB and now I am going to send my comment it will be 4.2MB and if I bought 5MB for R9.25 from vodacom that means this is my last house of Internet and I am going to be offline. South Africa wake up and stop fullish protectionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you have a modem, you will pay as much as a phone, the problem is in other countries Internet is unlimited but here they give you data bundle like food, the more you eat the more it going down per month, that rubbish. So even when you are talking 5c/MB or 50c/MB the problem is your data bundle still 500MB or 1GB or whatever and you are going to spend it until you got 0MB. The better we pay for Internet witch we will use as we like the better more people will be able to have Internet connection in their home. For the record, just to load this page it cost me 2.1MB and now I am going to send my comment it will be 4.2MB and if I bought 5MB for R9.25 from vodacom that means this is my last house of Internet and I am going to be offline. South Africa wake up and stop fullish protectionism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaybob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19c per megabyte on 3G, as low as 5c per megabyte on ADSL. Why is 3G almost 3x more expensive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19c per megabyte on 3G, as low as 5c per megabyte on ADSL. Why is 3G almost 3x more expensive?</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if he did a bit of economic he would know that you cannot  compare prices of something in 1982 to today without  implementing a nominal interest rate etc...

plus you prices then was relatively high to prices know (according to his calculations), the thign is it was a NEW technology then, today its fairy matured..

weak article, and please give me a link to the 19c/megabyte ( its probably only a package that is like 200gigabytes cap or something) . What about the average consumer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if he did a bit of economic he would know that you cannot  compare prices of something in 1982 to today without  implementing a nominal interest rate etc&#8230;</p>
<p>plus you prices then was relatively high to prices know (according to his calculations), the thign is it was a NEW technology then, today its fairy matured..</p>
<p>weak article, and please give me a link to the 19c/megabyte ( its probably only a package that is like 200gigabytes cap or something) . What about the average consumer?</p>
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		<title>By: Megabytes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megabytes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vodacom is charging R2 per meg and it seems like its still a long way to go because most people use their cellphones as modems and they are billed on their airtimes. But if per meg is R2 who will do that internet browsing. Vodacom is expensive if you do not have a modem you are in serious trouble in SA we are still paying very highly ridiculous amounts forusing internet in this country. These modems are expensive also what we need is competition and competition and competion in this country maybe we will be paying 0.5cents per meg and everyone will will be happy and start instant browsing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vodacom is charging R2 per meg and it seems like its still a long way to go because most people use their cellphones as modems and they are billed on their airtimes. But if per meg is R2 who will do that internet browsing. Vodacom is expensive if you do not have a modem you are in serious trouble in SA we are still paying very highly ridiculous amounts forusing internet in this country. These modems are expensive also what we need is competition and competition and competion in this country maybe we will be paying 0.5cents per meg and everyone will will be happy and start instant browsing.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a good argument, and very true, with one catch. 

Why is it that mobile operators have kept up with and even exceeded international standards in mobile broadband, but Telkom fixed-line speeds have remained largely static practically since introduction? Cost is not the sole issue here, performance must be looked at as well, and it&#039;s certainly nowhere near national standards. Is it the fiber (or lack of it) that&#039;s the problem here? Really?

What about all that dark fiber Broadband Infraco suddenly, interestingly, finds itself sitting on for zero investment, the entire unlit large-capacity network which used to belong to Transnet, was promised to Neotel then somehow suddenly got yanked away and dumped into yet another useless, profiteering &quot;new&quot; shell? There was spending on infrastructure, but rather than this being sold off at a cheap rate to private investors when the company collapsed, it got redirected into another Telkom profiteering machine and sidelined until demand was so pent-up that it could come in and charge an insignificant amount less than the hated incumbent and just absorb a huge amount of pent-up demand as sheer, unearned revenue. 

Still nice, thought provoking article well researched and written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a good argument, and very true, with one catch. </p>
<p>Why is it that mobile operators have kept up with and even exceeded international standards in mobile broadband, but Telkom fixed-line speeds have remained largely static practically since introduction? Cost is not the sole issue here, performance must be looked at as well, and it&#8217;s certainly nowhere near national standards. Is it the fiber (or lack of it) that&#8217;s the problem here? Really?</p>
<p>What about all that dark fiber Broadband Infraco suddenly, interestingly, finds itself sitting on for zero investment, the entire unlit large-capacity network which used to belong to Transnet, was promised to Neotel then somehow suddenly got yanked away and dumped into yet another useless, profiteering &#8220;new&#8221; shell? There was spending on infrastructure, but rather than this being sold off at a cheap rate to private investors when the company collapsed, it got redirected into another Telkom profiteering machine and sidelined until demand was so pent-up that it could come in and charge an insignificant amount less than the hated incumbent and just absorb a huge amount of pent-up demand as sheer, unearned revenue. </p>
<p>Still nice, thought provoking article well researched and written.</p>
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		<title>By: Not very logical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not very logical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing the price of a house in the early 80&#039;s to today is hardly the same as comparing technology prices. Technology has advanced in leaps and bounds over the last 30 years, houses have not. A CD player when they first came out were damned expensive (R2000+ if I&#039;m not mistaken) - today you can get one for under R100 - use that in your comparison.

Another thing: Telkom recently stated that the cost of international bandwidth only makes up 30% of the cost of providing the bandwidth. If this is true, then why is international bandwidth 10x more expensive than local bandwidth? It should only cost 30% more than local bandwidth. 

South Africa is being raped with international bandwidth costs - and yes, we can carry on paying for &quot;infrastructure&quot; (or fat bonuses) but it&#039;s going to leave SA in the dark with regards to online business advancement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing the price of a house in the early 80&#8242;s to today is hardly the same as comparing technology prices. Technology has advanced in leaps and bounds over the last 30 years, houses have not. A CD player when they first came out were damned expensive (R2000+ if I&#8217;m not mistaken) &#8211; today you can get one for under R100 &#8211; use that in your comparison.</p>
<p>Another thing: Telkom recently stated that the cost of international bandwidth only makes up 30% of the cost of providing the bandwidth. If this is true, then why is international bandwidth 10x more expensive than local bandwidth? It should only cost 30% more than local bandwidth. </p>
<p>South Africa is being raped with international bandwidth costs &#8211; and yes, we can carry on paying for &#8220;infrastructure&#8221; (or fat bonuses) but it&#8217;s going to leave SA in the dark with regards to online business advancement.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronwynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t buy the argument.  Costs are still too high and service still shocking  - a pigeon beat Telkom ADSL yesterday.  Technology eventually becomes ubiquitous and will not define your strategic advantage.  Service and innovation will define the company.  The ability to build true converged products and supply products suitable to the informal market will drive sales and profits - more efficiency will decrease costs, increase profits and allow prices to consumers to drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t buy the argument.  Costs are still too high and service still shocking  &#8211; a pigeon beat Telkom ADSL yesterday.  Technology eventually becomes ubiquitous and will not define your strategic advantage.  Service and innovation will define the company.  The ability to build true converged products and supply products suitable to the informal market will drive sales and profits &#8211; more efficiency will decrease costs, increase profits and allow prices to consumers to drop.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article provides plenty of food for thought, but glosses over the past five years. The story of SBC and Thintana is practically ancient history. The almost criminal neglect shown on more recent years by the Department of Communications is a far better story. The DoC even gave us plenty of room for great conspiracy theories - how else can one explain their determination to make things worse? 

As for cost: who can really say what the real price of bandwidth in South Africa should be? What is pretty clear is that government intervention and inaction, which often happened at the same time, has only helped to increase prices.

More bandwidth is also not going to help the foggy regulatory environment. Who would want to invest millions in infrastructure only to find out tomorrow that it is illegal? Getting rid of the antiquated legislation won&#039;t fix things, but at least it will make room for someone who has an interest in doing better bandwidth.

Fortunately the signs from the new DoC are encouraging. But right now we need more than signs - we need vision and clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article provides plenty of food for thought, but glosses over the past five years. The story of SBC and Thintana is practically ancient history. The almost criminal neglect shown on more recent years by the Department of Communications is a far better story. The DoC even gave us plenty of room for great conspiracy theories &#8211; how else can one explain their determination to make things worse? </p>
<p>As for cost: who can really say what the real price of bandwidth in South Africa should be? What is pretty clear is that government intervention and inaction, which often happened at the same time, has only helped to increase prices.</p>
<p>More bandwidth is also not going to help the foggy regulatory environment. Who would want to invest millions in infrastructure only to find out tomorrow that it is illegal? Getting rid of the antiquated legislation won&#8217;t fix things, but at least it will make room for someone who has an interest in doing better bandwidth.</p>
<p>Fortunately the signs from the new DoC are encouraging. But right now we need more than signs &#8211; we need vision and clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo Vegter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo Vegter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been my argument for a long time. Thanks to our protectionism, we missed out on the telecoms boom. That the companies involved went bust is immaterial to the consumer. It matters only to the private shareholders who risked their private capital. The fibre they laid is still there, but we&#039;ve got none of it, thanks to the cozy deal between the government -- in the form of Pallo, Jay and Ivy -- and Thintana. Thanks, gov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been my argument for a long time. Thanks to our protectionism, we missed out on the telecoms boom. That the companies involved went bust is immaterial to the consumer. It matters only to the private shareholders who risked their private capital. The fibre they laid is still there, but we&#8217;ve got none of it, thanks to the cozy deal between the government &#8212; in the form of Pallo, Jay and Ivy &#8212; and Thintana. Thanks, gov.</p>
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