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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having attended both retreats I can honestly say that there was massive growth from the first to the second, both in value in attending and potential for positive outcomes. There are a few projects that have a high chance of success, and the owners of those projects will be letting everyone know how they&#039;re going.

From a personal perspective, I enjoy spending time with smart people in the tech space and my jaw dropped a few times this past weekend when I saw what some of the guys were achieving.

To those who feel the need to put down the GR, it&#039;s good to know that people are waiting for us to fail because it inspires and drives us more. And if we try and fail, well at least we tried.

My name is down to help on the project where I felt I could add the most value and I&#039;m excited to play my part.

It was also a great networking opportunity for me from a business perspective and hopefully all the amazing tech start-ups we saw on display will soon earn enough money to hire me as their PR. For now though, I&#039;ll be helping where I can and contributing the the project I&#039;m most interested in.

Giving of your time to a project and receiving a business benefit can go hand in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having attended both retreats I can honestly say that there was massive growth from the first to the second, both in value in attending and potential for positive outcomes. There are a few projects that have a high chance of success, and the owners of those projects will be letting everyone know how they&#8217;re going.</p>
<p>From a personal perspective, I enjoy spending time with smart people in the tech space and my jaw dropped a few times this past weekend when I saw what some of the guys were achieving.</p>
<p>To those who feel the need to put down the GR, it&#8217;s good to know that people are waiting for us to fail because it inspires and drives us more. And if we try and fail, well at least we tried.</p>
<p>My name is down to help on the project where I felt I could add the most value and I&#8217;m excited to play my part.</p>
<p>It was also a great networking opportunity for me from a business perspective and hopefully all the amazing tech start-ups we saw on display will soon earn enough money to hire me as their PR. For now though, I&#8217;ll be helping where I can and contributing the the project I&#8217;m most interested in.</p>
<p>Giving of your time to a project and receiving a business benefit can go hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Mallinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Mallinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Justin... 

There&#039;s an ongoing debate regarding the intentions of GeekRetreat and the ability for attendees to go away and actually meet the goals and objectives we so enthusiastically set out while there. Let&#039;s not kid ourselves, we need time to tell whether GR can deliver on those, but the fact that this event brought together so many bright minds and passionate people (and converted those who had arrived with far less optimism) is testament to our willingness to do great things for our country, and specifically education. It all has to start somewhere, and I believe that GR is, and can carry on being, one of those places where people start talking, and small projects start rolling, slowly snowballing until one day we can see social change taking place in SA. 

Anyway, a great event, that I feel honoured to have attended - I am hugely excited by the project I will be getting involved in going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Justin&#8230; </p>
<p>There&#8217;s an ongoing debate regarding the intentions of GeekRetreat and the ability for attendees to go away and actually meet the goals and objectives we so enthusiastically set out while there. Let&#8217;s not kid ourselves, we need time to tell whether GR can deliver on those, but the fact that this event brought together so many bright minds and passionate people (and converted those who had arrived with far less optimism) is testament to our willingness to do great things for our country, and specifically education. It all has to start somewhere, and I believe that GR is, and can carry on being, one of those places where people start talking, and small projects start rolling, slowly snowballing until one day we can see social change taking place in SA. </p>
<p>Anyway, a great event, that I feel honoured to have attended &#8211; I am hugely excited by the project I will be getting involved in going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Adriaan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcentral.co.za/retreat-for-geeks-is-more-than-just-talk/12253/comment-page-1/#comment-2659</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Adriaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really great weekend with smart people addressing issues openly and honestly. Loved it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really great weekend with smart people addressing issues openly and honestly. Loved it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Scholtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat Scholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the weekend as having been a kickstart rather than something aimed at defining the education/internet possiblities in SA. Hopefully commentary on Geek Retreat will continue to highlight projects that are related and deserve attention as well. 

Great report back and well done to the organisers, hopefully conversation around the weekend will continue and result in a wider pool of people being aware of the retreat next year, and offering their relevant expertise to the problem of attracting young geek talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the weekend as having been a kickstart rather than something aimed at defining the education/internet possiblities in SA. Hopefully commentary on Geek Retreat will continue to highlight projects that are related and deserve attention as well. </p>
<p>Great report back and well done to the organisers, hopefully conversation around the weekend will continue and result in a wider pool of people being aware of the retreat next year, and offering their relevant expertise to the problem of attracting young geek talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Stanford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Stanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch this space -- The community appointed steering committee for the Silicon Cape Initiative is set to have their first meeting in a few weeks and take handover from the founders and interim steering committee. From there the initiative will be able to establish it&#039;s own new agenda, goals and strategy going forward!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch this space &#8212; The community appointed steering committee for the Silicon Cape Initiative is set to have their first meeting in a few weeks and take handover from the founders and interim steering committee. From there the initiative will be able to establish it&#8217;s own new agenda, goals and strategy going forward!</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching eagerly to see what comes out of it, I think a lot was spoken about, and I think the projects are the right size, what comes next is the evidence of whether it was a success or not.

I do choose to believe it will be, I think the right people are matched with the right projects, and frankly my feeling is if people think they can do better, then they should try to. The point of the retreat was to make South African Internet better for all, and I think that&#039;s what we should be focusing on doing, all of us that can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching eagerly to see what comes out of it, I think a lot was spoken about, and I think the projects are the right size, what comes next is the evidence of whether it was a success or not.</p>
<p>I do choose to believe it will be, I think the right people are matched with the right projects, and frankly my feeling is if people think they can do better, then they should try to. The point of the retreat was to make South African Internet better for all, and I think that&#8217;s what we should be focusing on doing, all of us that can.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again for organising the weekend Justin.

While I do agree with Paul Scott that there are others who could have been I think it&#039;s really a case of what is practical. On the one hand you want a small focused group of industry experts but on the other we need the volumes to bring a different point of view to find unique solutions to the problems we are facing. Not an easy mix to find.

Personally I think the group was great and we got the best of the focus and diverse experiences and loads of projects, with committed teams, have kicked off as a consequence.

Looking forward to the next one,

@timshier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for organising the weekend Justin.</p>
<p>While I do agree with Paul Scott that there are others who could have been I think it&#8217;s really a case of what is practical. On the one hand you want a small focused group of industry experts but on the other we need the volumes to bring a different point of view to find unique solutions to the problems we are facing. Not an easy mix to find.</p>
<p>Personally I think the group was great and we got the best of the focus and diverse experiences and loads of projects, with committed teams, have kicked off as a consequence.</p>
<p>Looking forward to the next one,</p>
<p>@timshier</p>
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		<title>By: justinspratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>justinspratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@paul scott: dude - we would have made a plan for you and charl - I help organise and the nominations were open on twitter and virally... I am bummed you didnt come.  I dont need to tell you how much of a fan I am on your AVOIR and OSS stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@paul scott: dude &#8211; we would have made a plan for you and charl &#8211; I help organise and the nominations were open on twitter and virally&#8230; I am bummed you didnt come.  I dont need to tell you how much of a fan I am on your AVOIR and OSS stuff</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Furber</title>
		<link>http://www.techcentral.co.za/retreat-for-geeks-is-more-than-just-talk/12253/comment-page-1/#comment-2643</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Furber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul Scott: Fifty people were invited, many thousands were obviously not. This has no bearing on the value of the work done by those who weren&#039;t invited. 

There was no African focus at all - the theme was how to make the Internet better in _South Africa_. We also didn&#039;t discuss education challenges in Mali or Kenya strangely enough. 

Geekretreat is a way for a _particular_ group of entrepreneurs, Internet business people, educators and journos to work together to do some good. You&#039;re also doing good work? Great - keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul Scott: Fifty people were invited, many thousands were obviously not. This has no bearing on the value of the work done by those who weren&#8217;t invited. </p>
<p>There was no African focus at all &#8211; the theme was how to make the Internet better in _South Africa_. We also didn&#8217;t discuss education challenges in Mali or Kenya strangely enough. </p>
<p>Geekretreat is a way for a _particular_ group of entrepreneurs, Internet business people, educators and journos to work together to do some good. You&#8217;re also doing good work? Great &#8211; keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to hear it went well ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear it went well <img src='http://www.techcentral.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Justin.

Nicely balanced post. @wesleylynch as been in touch with the LEAP science and maths school (http://www.leapschool.org.za/) to start thinking about scholars for next year&#039;s retreat. The kids already have a science / maths / critical thinking background and would be well-suited to attend.

Thanks for your part in a fantastic event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Justin.</p>
<p>Nicely balanced post. @wesleylynch as been in touch with the LEAP science and maths school (<a href="http://www.leapschool.org.za/" rel="nofollow">http://www.leapschool.org.za/</a>) to start thinking about scholars for next year&#8217;s retreat. The kids already have a science / maths / critical thinking background and would be well-suited to attend.</p>
<p>Thanks for your part in a fantastic event.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange that of all the delegates at the geekretreat, not one was associated with:

1. The largest Free and Open Source project on the continent (AVOIR and Chisimba)

2. Free and Open Resources for Education and the UWC freecourseware initiative did not feature as far as I can tell (freecourseware.uwc.ac.za) UWC has had a free and open resource (FORE or OER) policy in place since 2005.

3. The largest eLearning and learning related software project was never mentioned as far as I can tell.

With a deep focus on learning and building capacity in learning, there seems to be very little African focus as far as I can tell.

Did anyone mention the fact that the AVOIR project has trained interns (and continues to do so on a daily basis) all over Africa and in South Africa in best practice software engineering and collaboration?

Did anyone mention visionaries and pioneers like Prof. Derek Keats in this space?

Seems the deep focus on learning was somewhat shallow from what I can see/read. 

Please do prove me wrong, I would love to be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange that of all the delegates at the geekretreat, not one was associated with:</p>
<p>1. The largest Free and Open Source project on the continent (AVOIR and Chisimba)</p>
<p>2. Free and Open Resources for Education and the UWC freecourseware initiative did not feature as far as I can tell (freecourseware.uwc.ac.za) UWC has had a free and open resource (FORE or OER) policy in place since 2005.</p>
<p>3. The largest eLearning and learning related software project was never mentioned as far as I can tell.</p>
<p>With a deep focus on learning and building capacity in learning, there seems to be very little African focus as far as I can tell.</p>
<p>Did anyone mention the fact that the AVOIR project has trained interns (and continues to do so on a daily basis) all over Africa and in South Africa in best practice software engineering and collaboration?</p>
<p>Did anyone mention visionaries and pioneers like Prof. Derek Keats in this space?</p>
<p>Seems the deep focus on learning was somewhat shallow from what I can see/read. </p>
<p>Please do prove me wrong, I would love to be!</p>
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