Parliament in formal probe of Pule

Parliament's ethics committee has decided to launch a formal investigation into communications minister Dina Pule. By Duncan McLeod.

Communications minister Dina Pule

Communications minister Dina Pule

Parliament’s joint committee on ethics and members’ interests has launched a formal probe into allegations of a conflict of interest involving communications minister Dina Pule and last May’s ICT Indaba in Cape Town.

The committee, which is chaired by veteran ANC MP Ben Turok, this week communicated its plans to launch a formal probe and has established a subcommittee to take the investigation further.

Democratic Alliance MP and communications spokesman Marian Shinn says her party was notified earlier this week about the committee’s intention to launch a formal probe into the matter.

The allegations stem from newspaper reports that claimed that an alleged romantic partner of Pule’s, Phosane Mngqibisa, benefited financially from the staging of the event.

Public Protector Thuli Mandonsela is also investigating the matter and is expected to table her report at the end of March.

Shinn says the DA asked parliament’s ethics committee to look into possible conflicts of interest involving Pule and the ICT Indaba in mid-2012. Since then, she says, the committee has been collecting information and statements from relevant parties.

She says she doesn’t know when the subcommittee will begin its work.

After the subcommittee has completed its work, the ethics committee must then decide if there’s reason to take the matter further. If there is, there are a range of options available. “It can censure her in the house, or it could lead to criminal charges if need be, but that hasn’t often happened.”

However, if Pule ceases to be an MP — if President Jacob Zuma redeploys her or she resigns, for example — then the investigation by the ethics committee will immediately be terminated.

Pule’s spokesman, Siya Qoza, says the minister has been “cooperating fully with the ethics committee and will continue to do so”.  — (c) 2013 NewsCentral Media

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  • http://twitter.com/aerbingham Anthony Bingham

    The scumbags never get fired; only “redeployed”!

  • Davebee

    BIG, BIG difference between parliamentary democracy in this country and in the rest of the grown up world. In the grown up world democracies, especially in the UK if there is even a hint of dodgy dealing the GROWN UP minister resigns, that’s it, gone.

    Yet here in toy land or the ANC’s version of democracy the relevant crook not only brazenly stays put but eventually, to save Luthuli House any more embarrassment gets bloody well promoted to an ambassadorship!

    To call this an adult country is a laugh, in reality it’s Fawlty Towers with a Blue Light brigade!

  • MuziMak

    How old are you, if I may ask?

  • Davebee

    Old enough MuziMak to know that when you are caught out it’s time to do the right thing and GO.
    Old enough to know that it’s also the ethical thing to do.
    Old enough to know that in two hours time I will be paying thousands of Rands in Provisional Tax to help support a nest of thieves called the ANC run this once wonderful country into the ditch, that’s how old pal!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    Doing the right thing isn’t about being GROWN UP. The same GROWN UP democracies you refer to, collude to invade sovereign states on false pretexts of “weapons of mass destruction” whilst the right thing, as witnessed by the world in 1994, is a peaceful transition and resolution to conflicts which can be credited to the ANC which is our ruling government.

    Sure enough, the right thing to do if you’ve been caught out serving in public office would be to resign and more of that should be happening. But there’s certainly nothing GROWN UP in comments which I imagine would make even your primary school English teacher deny ever having known or taught you.

    Another GROWN UP thing to do, which also comes back to “the right thing to do” is, instead of constantly displaying how inept your capacity and level of thinking is, to come up with solutions that take us forward by posting comments of what’s obvious to all and believing that it somehow makes you smart; would be to roll up yours sleeves and do what you can get into that position that you feel is being abused, to prove you can do a better job.

    Do you imagine you’re the only one who’s paying TAX. I also feel cheated when considering that my TAX money goes into an education system that produces people who can come up with nothing; but consistent complaints and whose competence with the English language is at a level where the most “colorful figure of speech” they can come up with is, “scumbags”.

  • Davebee

    Actually Vusi my English teacher would laugh her head off at what passes for English both in the media and on the comments section of blogs. She was a BBC after all or Born Before Computers, her grammar, punctuation and spelling put both you and I in the shade pal. I digress, Vusi may I advise you that I’m paying my taxes to a gang of people who are using racial discrimination against my racial group in the 21st century, now that’s a UN crime right away I’m told. As for ‘rolling my sleeves up’ the only sleeve rolling I will be doing is to get this ANC ship of fools off this planet asp before they inflict any further damage on an already fragile economy. As for this minister, answer me this: If she’s under suspicion why hasn’t her boss, your president, had her suspended pending a full enquiry? Why is she STILL making decisions on Telkom if she is considered a risk and is not 101% a fully compliant in the cabinet? I will take your answer on the air so to speak.
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    Doing the right thing isn’t about being GROWN UP. The same GROWN UP democracies you refer to, collude to invade sovereign states on false pretexts of “weapons of mass destruction” whilst the right thing, as witnessed by the world in 1994, is a peaceful transition and resolution to conflicts which can be credited to the ANC which is our ruling government.
    Sure enough, the right thing to do if you’ve been caught out serving in public office would be to resign and more of that should be happening. But there’s certainly nothing GROWN UP in comments which I imagine would make even your primary school English teacher deny ever having known or taught you.
    Another GROWN UP thing to do, which also comes back to “the right thing to do” is, instead of constantly displaying how inept your capacity and level of thinking is, to come up with solutions that take us forward by posting comments of what’s obvious to all and believing that it somehow makes you smart ; would be to roll up yours sleeves and do what you can get into that position that you feel is being abused, to prove you can do a better job.
    Do you imagine you’re the only one who’s paying TAX. I also feel cheated when considering that my TAX money goes into an education system that produces people who can come up with nothing; but consistent complaints and whose competence with the English language is at a level where the most “colorful figure of speech” they can come up with is, “scumbags”.
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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    I would imagine that if you had been a German at the end of WWII you would’ve argued that you are not a Nazi and that your tax money shouldn’t be spent on reparations. Apartheid, unlike your ill-informed
    hypothesis of racialism, was declared a crime against humanity by the UN and the policies that are in place are to address the existing imbalances that were caused by such an inhumane system which the majority of people in our country were subjected to. Fortunately there are white South Africans who are aware of the injustices of the system which previously existed and are not arguing the fact that the imbalances of the past need to be addressed.

    Let’s get into being a South African in our new democracy.The president is not my president but the president of South Africa. South
    Africa is our country and he is therefore our president. One would’ve thought that this would be elementary but I guess your English teacher, having being faced with the enormous difficulty of making sure that you pass so they could get rid of you, obviously omitted to cover this. I’m not sure how my getting into how a democracy works is going to help, if in almost 20 years of having a democracy in place and coming back from every election with only one question, being; Whether or not the ANC will secure a two thirds majority? and the opposition always showing how out of touch they are with the concerns of the people who really count and are in the majority.

    Nonetheless, good luck! in your endeavors of being part of the problem rather than the solution. You won’t be singing any victory songs after next year’s elections either.

  • The Emperor has no clothes…

    Just because the president of South Africa is the head of the decocratically elected governement doesn’t mean I need to support him. In fact it is my duty to continue to challenge his decisions and his actions to ensure that we don’t end up being Africa’s next Zimbabwe!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    “The Emperor has no clothes…” is that the name that one of your grief stricken teachers dubbed you or was it from your genius Mama?

  • The Emperor has no clothes…

    @facebook-527737873:disqus Other than being the resident troll on Tech Central I’m curious as to why you always feel the need to make personal attacks on everyone who comments in response to any of your comments?

  • Greg Mahlknecht

    >>Apartheid, unlike your ill-informed hypothesis of racialism, was declared a crime against humanity by the UN

    I wish the UN would step in now and put a stop to BEE and land expropriation, both of which, according to their definition of Apartheid would make them apartheid acts. 20 years is long enough to bungle around and enrich struggle buddies. Isn’t it obvious by now that the idiots that have been running the show simply aren’t capable of addressing the imbalances. They’re out of their depth. Revolution is easy. Democracy is difficult. Appoint some ministers based on merit and experience, and let’s get this show on the road!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    @The Emperor – With the genius mama who noticed that he was born with no clothes on… It takes one to know one and when you’re going to be engaging with “scumbags”, you behave like a scumbag. It’s just too easy to be insulting and personal isn’t it when you’re a coward on social media that can’t even use their real name.

    I’ve engaged with people on TechCentral who play the ball and not the man and I’ve learnt quite a bit; like the fact that I’m not as funny as I thought and that the good old :) would help to indicate a joke… I’ve still got a long way to go as I’m sure you’ll agree.

    If you also played the ball, then maybe you’d be able to use your real name and engage constructively with people on TechCentral who have shown themselves to have IQs wherein yours is divisible by over a hundred fold P.S. That means you’re just an idiot troll like I’m also demonstrating I can be to engage with the likes of you. So bring it on with the “Your Mama” jokes… and I’ll show you just how much of a troll I can be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    Greg, you know as well as I do how that can happen. It begins with someone like you being prepared to get in the position where it will be possible to effect the change. What’s the worst that could happen if you mess up? You’ll be re-deployed as an ambassador some place where everyone seems to think the grass will be greener. Why not check with Tony Leon and see how he enjoyed being an ambassador. If you have the skills to make this country better you can “Maak ‘n plan” which is what used to happen before most of those who did that “Maak ‘n plan” decided to whinge and complain as if that accomplishes anything.

  • Greg Mahlknecht

    >>It begins with someone like you being prepared to get in the position where it will be possible to effect the change

    Who says I’m not in the best place for that, right now? I’m confident in the fact I’m voting for people who do a better job at politics than I ever could, and that I’m better at helping maintain and build the economy than they are. I’m voting because every day I leave my house and see the good work the councillor I voted for is doing… not because of my skin colour, which is very apparent how most the country votes. It’s impossible they’re voting on merit, because it’s blindingly obvious the incumbents fail when judged by that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    Unfortunately it will always be about “Me First” when what you need to do is turn the “M” upside down so it will be “We First”. That councilor of yours will not maintain their position for very long when their focus is on a minority. It’s the recipe to a Zimbabwe where eventually the majority that keeps getting poorer will have no option but to revolt.

    At the most; the number of parties in SA should be three. There are three prominent parties I remember from the past; The NP, the CP and the PFP. No opposition was ever able to defeat the NP and no opposition will ever be able to defeat the ANC for as long as they continue to behave like “Ego Driven” maniacs. What real plan do they have for ever assuming power in a democracy? It’s quite laughable that all they can hope for is at least one third of the vote and that’s when there’s a so called split within the ANC.

    Going into next year’s elections the ANC is even stronger and the remnants of Polokwane ended up with egg on their faces in Mangaung. The colored vote in the WC has already swung as displayed by what’s happening on the farms, however the real reason for the swing was the placement of a “Yes Madam” token in a position senior to Patricia de Lille who could have better influenced the colored vote.

    Ground work is what wins you elections, ask the slate that opposed Zuma in Mangaung. The ground work in the WC has already begun and the ANC will be taking over the WC as new opposition parties emerge (to fight for less than a third of the vote) and this time around, are up against a united ANC. If you think the elective conference in Mangaung brought about a “Shock Result” wait until you see the results of next year’s general elections when the united ANC will once again take two thirds majority.

  • Greg Mahlknecht

    >That councilor of yours will not maintain their position for very long when their focus is on a minority.
    Well, I certainly hope you’re wrong for both our sakes. His focus is on his constituents (where else should he focus?) and he’s exactly the kind of representation we need – he was forced to flee South Africa during the apartheid days because of his opposition to It, and returned back from a comfy life in USA to make a difference. Largely at the request of the white majority in our area, he is incredibly active helping out the black minorities. It’s people like that coming up the political ranks and the grassroots work they put in which gives me hope that sooner or later the zombie voting public will realise the enormity of the corruption, rot and incompetence that exists in the ANC ranks (the DoC is a poster child for this), and demand better public servants (personally, I don’t care what party they’re affiliated with, so long as they do their job).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    The perception that votes that are for the ANC are from a zombie voting public are exactly what keeps the opposition from making an impact on the large majority of people and after 20 years, have made no headway whatsoever other than in instances when the ANC was dealing with internal conflicts – but now that those issues are resolved it’s also going to show in next year’s election.

    A real plan to some day assume power for an opposition party in my view; would be to strive to be the only opposition first. The party that develops, say a 30 year plan and begins right away to achieve this by pushing for changes with the proportional representation system can find itself in a position, 3 decades from now, to take the fight to the ANC.

    What needs to happen is that parties that participate in the elections must be required to secure a minimum percentage of the vote (Lets say 15%). A non refundable hefty deposit must be payable and if you don’t secure the required 15%, you’re not part of the assembly, where most of these “Ego Maniacs” are earning salaries blowing off worthless hot air. This should be scaled up by 5% in the following elections until the set minimum is 30% and by then we will have a party that can stand out as the only opposition. This would save the IEC tons of money and we wouldn’t be waiting for as long as we do for results if we have 2 or 3 parties contesting the elections.

    That’s just my view – but then again I’m just a zombie voting idiot troll so what would I know.

  • Greg Mahlknecht

    >That’s just my view – but then again I’m just a zombie voting idiot troll so what would I know.

    Yup, that’s one of the worst ideas I’ve heard. Or one of the best, if you’re a corrupt incumbent trying to stop any kind of democratic process threatening you. And I take my zombie comment back, it’s more like Stockholm syndrome. The facts speak for themselves. It baffles me how someone (seemingly) intelligent like you can get behind a party so undeniably useless. Or are you of the opinion that BEE is working, the ANC is doing an excellent job, and that we’re on a path to prosperity being guided by a capable team? If you do then… eish.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527737873 Vusi Sibiya

    We are in a society that works on democratic principles and it’s the proportional representation system that’s perverting how things should be working and that is that the party that gets the majority of votes rules.

    None of the opposition parties are working seriously to ensure that they can be a ruling government. It’s all about where you are on the list and the higher placed you are, then you have the guarantee of earning a salary for the next five years. All you’ll have to do is stand up and state the obvious in Parliament, something which most people are able to do on social media… now why would I give my vote to something I can get on TechCentral.

    The only time I’ll even begin to consider an opposition party is when they’re able to take the fight to the useless “Ego Maniacs” out there and emerge as the only opposition, in doing so… they’ll also be able win over some disgruntled members of the ANC who would then believe that the support base they could bring would tip things over at the polls.

    You can continue with your losers and I’ll stick with the party I know will be in power for as long as the proportional representation system exists as is. We have another wanna be “Agang” which will be only diluting the votes for the opposition because our party is more united and determined now than it’s ever been before.

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