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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Cell ©&#8217; okay for now, says top lawyer</title>
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		<title>By: Nortic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nortic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The_Librarian, we absolutely need the competition. I dont care what symbol they use in their logo, as long as the R7 billion goes towards improving internet access in SA, we all win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The_Librarian, we absolutely need the competition. I dont care what symbol they use in their logo, as long as the R7 billion goes towards improving internet access in SA, we all win.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO if you try to copyright the © sign, you will fail.

But if you use it in conjuntion with a word like &quot;Cell ©&quot; then I can&#039;t see why not as long as its clear that the © is NOT copyrighted at all, only the word &quot;Cell ©&quot;.

But apart from that, what we need right now is a company with the guts to shake the cellular market upside down and get rid of the fatcat bloodsuckers.

For too long Voda and MTN have been sucking South Africans dry. Prices should have been coming down drastically, but no, nothing. 

And VC+MTN still is sponsoring big events - for which the customer pays indirectly - which is not neccessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO if you try to copyright the © sign, you will fail.</p>
<p>But if you use it in conjuntion with a word like &#8220;Cell ©&#8221; then I can&#8217;t see why not as long as its clear that the © is NOT copyrighted at all, only the word &#8220;Cell ©&#8221;.</p>
<p>But apart from that, what we need right now is a company with the guts to shake the cellular market upside down and get rid of the fatcat bloodsuckers.</p>
<p>For too long Voda and MTN have been sucking South Africans dry. Prices should have been coming down drastically, but no, nothing. </p>
<p>And VC+MTN still is sponsoring big events &#8211; for which the customer pays indirectly &#8211; which is not neccessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mni Agreed, I also hope they deliver.  Competition is good.  But trying to compete via superior marketing is wrong, the consumer only loses.  Faster, cheaper, better service is what we need!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mni Agreed, I also hope they deliver.  Competition is good.  But trying to compete via superior marketing is wrong, the consumer only loses.  Faster, cheaper, better service is what we need!</p>
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		<title>By: mni</title>
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		<dc:creator>mni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Points taken.
I think we both understand that the consumer promise by Cell C needs to be tested. An opportunity to heal for all current cellular consumers is being given by Cell C. Let me put a challenge to you, measure Cell C on their promise and comment about your experience. To realise the disservice being done  by cellular companies in SA is a great step by Cell C and no one else is doing the same but to pretend as if its all well. I think Cell C is encouraging this debate and its time for change. Lets watch them dont you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Points taken.<br />
I think we both understand that the consumer promise by Cell C needs to be tested. An opportunity to heal for all current cellular consumers is being given by Cell C. Let me put a challenge to you, measure Cell C on their promise and comment about your experience. To realise the disservice being done  by cellular companies in SA is a great step by Cell C and no one else is doing the same but to pretend as if its all well. I think Cell C is encouraging this debate and its time for change. Lets watch them dont you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mni 

&gt;. I think its childish to comment about marketing when one is not qualified to do so.

I made it abundantly clear I was commenting from a consumer&#039;s perspective, not a marketer&#039;s one.   &quot;Not Qualified&quot;?!  I&#039;m not a chef, but I know full well when I&#039;m eating crap food.  I think it&#039;s unprofessional to totally dismiss your target market&#039;s opinions like you have.

&gt; If I get nice food from a so called unknown shop I will go back to buy again however if the opposite happens I will just not go..that simple!!! 

My point exactly - if a local restaurant does a huge sales push in your area, and you go, have a crap meal and they tell you on the way out &quot;come back next month, it&#039;ll be awesome, we promise&quot; ... do you really think that is good use of marketing budget?  If you do, I really hope that marketing isn&#039;t your day job!  

The clear message consumers are getting from Cell C with their new branding is that &quot;things have changed&quot; ... I don&#039;t think I need to be a genius marketer to see that when you send this message, it&#039;s a good idea to actually have the changes in place.  They&#039;ve just had a GIANT media blitz that will draw people to discover their current services, which they openly admit need improving.  It&#039;s not like even THEY think they&#039;re better yet.  They&#039;ve just put lipstick on a pig.   Would it really have killed them to wait another month or 2?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mni </p>
<p>&gt;. I think its childish to comment about marketing when one is not qualified to do so.</p>
<p>I made it abundantly clear I was commenting from a consumer&#8217;s perspective, not a marketer&#8217;s one.   &#8220;Not Qualified&#8221;?!  I&#8217;m not a chef, but I know full well when I&#8217;m eating crap food.  I think it&#8217;s unprofessional to totally dismiss your target market&#8217;s opinions like you have.</p>
<p>&gt; If I get nice food from a so called unknown shop I will go back to buy again however if the opposite happens I will just not go..that simple!!! </p>
<p>My point exactly &#8211; if a local restaurant does a huge sales push in your area, and you go, have a crap meal and they tell you on the way out &#8220;come back next month, it&#8217;ll be awesome, we promise&#8221; &#8230; do you really think that is good use of marketing budget?  If you do, I really hope that marketing isn&#8217;t your day job!  </p>
<p>The clear message consumers are getting from Cell C with their new branding is that &#8220;things have changed&#8221; &#8230; I don&#8217;t think I need to be a genius marketer to see that when you send this message, it&#8217;s a good idea to actually have the changes in place.  They&#8217;ve just had a GIANT media blitz that will draw people to discover their current services, which they openly admit need improving.  It&#8217;s not like even THEY think they&#8217;re better yet.  They&#8217;ve just put lipstick on a pig.   Would it really have killed them to wait another month or 2?</p>
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		<title>By: Mni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your second last line in your last two lines sum all what you dont understand about you first three paragraphs.

If I was a consumer my interest would be whether what I will be consuming is good or bad in terms of product offering. If I get nice food from a so called unknown shop I will go back to buy again however if the opposite happens I will just not go..that simple!!! Is the logo really what you use to judge all Brands we use as consumers? Logo has an influence due to association in my mind. I think its childish to comment about marketing when one is not qualified to do so. Product development process varies from company to company so there is no uniform way of doing it. It sounds like everyone wants Cell C to have done the re launch in their own terms as if they are all shareholders and yet they are really not.

Lets accept different approaches in life and accept evolution of strategic marketing disciplines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your second last line in your last two lines sum all what you dont understand about you first three paragraphs.</p>
<p>If I was a consumer my interest would be whether what I will be consuming is good or bad in terms of product offering. If I get nice food from a so called unknown shop I will go back to buy again however if the opposite happens I will just not go..that simple!!! Is the logo really what you use to judge all Brands we use as consumers? Logo has an influence due to association in my mind. I think its childish to comment about marketing when one is not qualified to do so. Product development process varies from company to company so there is no uniform way of doing it. It sounds like everyone wants Cell C to have done the re launch in their own terms as if they are all shareholders and yet they are really not.</p>
<p>Lets accept different approaches in life and accept evolution of strategic marketing disciplines.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The minute the new branding came out, every 2nd person I spoke to thought using the © was a stupid idea, and most said &quot;surely they can&#039;t copyright that!&quot; ... I&#039;d think it&#039;s stupid pushing on rebranding yourself when you&#039;re not 100% you can use your &quot;new look&quot; going forward?  The provisional rejection shows they&#039;re on borrowed time as it is, and they knew before launching it was a problem.

Legally, it&#039;s a blunder, and technically it&#039;s an even bigger blunder.  The headline of this article proves it; people will use &quot;Cell ©&quot; in web content which will take its toll, it only takes 5 mins fiddling on Google to see that the © character isnt&#039; indexed well; if Cell C&#039;s stickiness in search engines doesn&#039;t plummet dramatically in the coming months, I&#039;ll be very surprised. 

Also, I think the timing of the new brand was really bad.  They should have got their new network and offerings together, and THEN re-launched.  If someone takes over a restaurant that&#039;s known for horrible food, you don&#039;t put &quot;Under New Management&quot;, serve the same crap for 6 months, and then bring out the new menu.   &quot;The New CellC!  Now with iPhone!  Fastest Mobile Internet!  Lowest Data Charges!&quot;... that&#039;s how to launch, not &quot;The New CellC!  Check out new logo!  Oh, we&#039;re going to get cool stuff later.&quot;

I know just about nothing about marketing, but as a consumer it seems that this has been bungled on just about every level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The minute the new branding came out, every 2nd person I spoke to thought using the © was a stupid idea, and most said &#8220;surely they can&#8217;t copyright that!&#8221; &#8230; I&#8217;d think it&#8217;s stupid pushing on rebranding yourself when you&#8217;re not 100% you can use your &#8220;new look&#8221; going forward?  The provisional rejection shows they&#8217;re on borrowed time as it is, and they knew before launching it was a problem.</p>
<p>Legally, it&#8217;s a blunder, and technically it&#8217;s an even bigger blunder.  The headline of this article proves it; people will use &#8220;Cell ©&#8221; in web content which will take its toll, it only takes 5 mins fiddling on Google to see that the © character isnt&#8217; indexed well; if Cell C&#8217;s stickiness in search engines doesn&#8217;t plummet dramatically in the coming months, I&#8217;ll be very surprised. </p>
<p>Also, I think the timing of the new brand was really bad.  They should have got their new network and offerings together, and THEN re-launched.  If someone takes over a restaurant that&#8217;s known for horrible food, you don&#8217;t put &#8220;Under New Management&#8221;, serve the same crap for 6 months, and then bring out the new menu.   &#8220;The New CellC!  Now with iPhone!  Fastest Mobile Internet!  Lowest Data Charges!&#8221;&#8230; that&#8217;s how to launch, not &#8220;The New CellC!  Check out new logo!  Oh, we&#8217;re going to get cool stuff later.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know just about nothing about marketing, but as a consumer it seems that this has been bungled on just about every level.</p>
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